Therapy For Real Life Podcast

Episode 93: Polyamory: A Clinical Toolkit for Therapists (and Their Clients)

 

Introduction and Purpose of the Book

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar introduces the podcast and its focus on translating therapy concepts into self-care strategies.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar introduces Martha Kauppi, a marriage and family therapist, educator, supervisor, and certified sex therapist.
  • Martha Kauppi explains the motivation behind writing the book "Polyamory: A Clinical Toolkit for Therapists and Their Clients."
  • Martha Kauppi highlights the difficulty clients face in finding therapists knowledgeable about polyamory and the book's dual purpose as a self-help and training manual.

Book Structure and Accessibility

  • Martha Kauppi discusses the book's readability and its applicability to various relationships, not just polyamory.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar  appreciates the book's self-help style and practical worksheets, making it accessible for different audiences.
  • Martha Kauppi emphasizes the book's goal to serve anyone interested in strengthening their relational capacity.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar  and Martha Kauppi discuss the prevalence of consensual non-monogamy and the underrepresentation of trained therapists in this area.

Defining Key Terms in Polyamory

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar asks Martha Kauppi to define key terms in polyamory, acknowledging the evolving nature of these definitions.
  • Martha Kauppi explains the terms consensual non-monogamy, ethical non-monogamy, polyamory, and open relationships.
  • Martha Kauppi describes the concept of a polycule and its connection to the web of relationships in polyamory.
  • Martha Kauppi differentiates between relationship anarchy and other forms of non-hierarchical relationships.

Challenges and Misconceptions in Polyamory

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar  and Martha Kauppi discuss the challenges and misconceptions surrounding polyamory, including the need for clear consent and risk management.
  • Martha Kauppi shares personal stories from clients who transitioned from infidelity to consensual non-monogamy.
  • Martha Kauppi debunks the myth that polyamory is not compatible with religious beliefs or long-term relationships.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar  and Martha Kauppi highlight the importance of diverse representations in pop culture to better understand polyamory.

Clinical Frameworks and Therapy Approaches

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar  asks about the clinical frameworks and therapy approaches that guide Martha Kauppi's work with polyamorous relationships.
  • Martha Kauppi explains the developmental model of couples therapy by Bader Pearson and its inclusive nature.
  • Martha Kauppi emphasizes the importance of having a diverse toolkit of therapy models to address the complexity of relationships.
  • Martha Kauppi discusses the limitations of some therapy models and the need for a more nuanced approach to polyamory.

Getting Started with Therapy

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar  inquires about the initial steps in therapy for couples considering polyamory.
  • Martha Kaupi advises clients to focus on what they want for themselves rather than changing their partners.
  • Martha Kauppi explains the importance of self-regulation and co-regulation in managing stressful conversations.
  • Martha Kauppi emphasizes the need for therapists to help clients build happiness and resilience within their relationships.

Differentiation Process in Relationship Therapy

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar asks about the differentiation process in relationship therapy.
  • Martha Kauppi describes the four parts of differentiation: hold steady, get in touch with your core self, express your core self to your partner, and hear your partner's core self.
  • Martha Kauppi explains the importance of groundedness and non-reactivity in tough conversations.
  • Martha Kauppi shares personal experiences of managing stressful conversations and the importance of self-care.

Considering Therapy and Finding the Right Therapist

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar asks when to consider therapy for polyamorous relationships and what to look for in a therapist.
  • Martha Kauppi advises seeking therapy or coaching for extra support and finding a therapist with experience in polyamory.
  • Martha Kauppi emphasizes the importance of cultural competence and the ability to handle tough conversations.
  • Martha Kauppi discusses the role of self-disclosure in therapy and its potential benefits and risks.

Navigating Boundaries Between Polyamory and Monogamy in Relationships

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar emphasizes the importance of focusing on personal happiness and using healthy "I" statements to express one's point of view.
  • Martha Kauppi discusses the challenge of finding common ground in polyamorous relationships, where partners may have different desires for monogamy or polyamory.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar suggests getting more specific about what each partner wants in a relationship, rather than focusing on broad definitions like monogamy or polyamory.
  • The conversation highlights the need to define terms and find overlap by discussing the qualities of a meaningful relationship, rather than sticking to rigid definitions.

Managing Stress and Conflict in Relationships

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar discusses the importance of self-regulation and co-regulation in managing stress and conflict in relationships.
  • Neuroscience plays a crucial role in helping clients learn to stay grounded and respond effectively in high-stress situations.
  • Martha Kauppi appreciates the list of self-soothing techniques recommended by Anna Lindberg Cedar , which help clients slow down and avoid impulsive reactions.
  • The conversation explores the benefits of slowing down in tough conversations, focusing on the present moment, and avoiding the urge to rush to a decision.

The Importance of Being Undecided

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar explains that being undecided in a relationship can lead to a more thoughtful and constructive approach to conflict resolution.
  • Tolerating uncertainty and discomfort is essential for both partners to build a relationship that meets their needs.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar emphasizes the importance of therapists helping clients hold tension and avoid rushing to a decision.
  • The goal is to describe experiences, dreams, fears, and relationship values to find common ground and build a relationship that works for both partners.

Differentiation in Relationships

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar describes differentiation as a process with three parts: getting grounded, understanding one's core self, and communicating that to a partner.
  • The second part involves hearing a partner's perspective and understanding their thoughts, feelings, and desires.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar shares an example of a disclosure that can be challenging, such as wanting to open a relationship, and the importance of responding calmly and respectfully.
  • The conversation highlights the need for practice in managing emotional reactions and maintaining groundedness in tough conversations.

Seeking Therapy and Finding the Right Therapist

  • Martha Kauppi asks about when to consider therapy and what to look for in a therapist for polyamorous relationships.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar advises seeking therapy or coaching for extra support and finding a therapist with experience or willingness to learn about polyamory.
  • It's important to ensure the therapist has cultural competence and can avoid causing harm to clients.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar suggests asking potential therapists about their experience with open relationships and how they would approach specific challenges.

Self-Disclosure in Therapy

  • Martha Kauppi inquires about the appropriate use of self-disclosure in therapy, especially when working with marginalized groups.
  • Anna Lindberg Cedar believes that self-disclosure should serve the client and should be used judiciously, considering its potential benefits and risks.
  • Sharing a marginalized status can be helpful if it adds value to the client's therapy, but it's important to avoid causing harm.
  • Clients should feel comfortable asking their therapists about their identity or status, and therapists should be prepared to handle such questions thoughtfully.

Closing Thoughts and Takeaways

  • Anna Lindberg Cedar encourages listeners to believe that polyamorous relationships can work and exist in a functional form.
  • The conversation emphasizes the importance of showing up better in tough conversations, which leads to personal happiness and peace.
  • Martha Kauppi thanks Anna Lindberg Cedar for sharing insights and advice on navigating polyamory and building healthy relationships.
  • The meeting concludes with a brief mention of Therapy for Real Life's workplace workshops on stress management and burnout prevention.

 

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