Episode 76: How Millennials Became The Burnout Generation with Anne Helen Petersen
Anne Helen Petersen is the author of "Can't Even: How Millennials Became The Burnout Generation." She joins the Therapy For Real Life Podcast as a guest for a discussion of the systems that cause burnout. Petersen describes the sensation of burnout as life’s "one long never-ending to-do list." The author previously described her personal experience with burnout in a 2019 BuzzFeed piece that went viral and provoked tired sighs of recognition around the world. Host Anna Lindberg Cedar MPA, LCSW talks with Petersen about why millennials get blamed for their own burnout, what’s lacking in current definitions of burnout, and why burnout has become so pervasive. Petersen shares examples of ways to resist burnout culture by creating mutual aid and systems of sustainability. This episode was originally released on Sep 21, 2020.
Show Summary
Defining Burnout and Its Impact on Millennials
- Anna Lindberg Cedar introduces the podcast and the guest, Anne Helen Peterson, and sets the context for the discussion on burnout.
- Anne Helen Peterson defines burnout as a feeling of exhaustion mixed with flatness, where work becomes the backdrop of one's life, leading to a lack of catharsis and accomplishment.
- Together they discuss definitions including World Health Organization's description of burnout, which includes mental distance, fatigue, and pessimism.
- The speakers discusses how the delineation between work and personal life has blurred in America, especially for millennials in creative fields, leading to a lack of separation between self and job.
The Blurred Lines Between Work and Personal Life
- Speaker 3 explains that the World Health Organization's definition of burnout assumes a clear separation between work and personal life, which is no longer the case in America.
- Speaker 3 highlights that burnout is exacerbated by economic instability, lack of social safety nets, and the pressure to perform on social media.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss how the pandemic has further blurred the lines between work and personal life, with work spreading into the home.
- Speaker 2 asks for clarification on who millennials are, and Speaker 3 explains the generational definition and the negative stereotypes associated with millennials.
Millennials as the Burnout Generation
- Speaker 2 asks why millennials are the burnout generation, and Speaker 3 shares her personal experience of realizing her own burnout.
- Speaker 3 describes how her burnout was a dull backdrop to her life, different from the physical exhaustion experienced by others.
- Speaker 3 discusses the societal and economic factors that contribute to millennial burnout, such as student debt, economic instability, and the lack of social safety nets.
- Speaker 2 mentions the shift from a midlife crisis to a generational crisis, where millennials are grappling with the realization that their achievements may not meet their expectations.
Intersectionality and Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about intersectionality within the frame of burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses how systemic inequalities exacerbate burnout for marginalized groups.
- Speaker 3 highlights the burnout experienced by people experiencing homelessness and those with unstable work schedules.
- Speaker 2 mentions Deanna Clark's article on black burnout, which discusses the additional stress of proving humanity inside and outside the workplace.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that burnout is a generalized experience, with different layers of stress for different groups.
Personal Experiences and Recognizing Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks how Speaker 3 recognized her own burnout, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of crying during work-related tasks and the ineffectiveness of traditional self-care methods.
- Speaker 3 describes the societal culture of burnout and how it can be difficult to recognize when one is in it.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the societal pressure to take personal responsibility for burnout, despite it being a systemic issue.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing burnout as a societal problem and not just a personal one.
Opting Out of Burnout Culture
- Speaker 2 asks if it's possible to opt out of burnout culture, and Speaker 3 discusses the concept of quitting a job to find a more sustainable one.
- Speaker 3 shares an example of someone leaving academia to find a more balanced job, highlighting the importance of drawing clear boundaries between work and personal life.
- Speaker 2 mentions Jenny Odell's argument about the attention economy and the importance of disconnecting from digital technologies.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that it's about cultivating a relationship with technology that allows for more control over one's attention.
Building Micro Cultures Against Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about creating micro cultures to reduce burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses the importance of community and mutual support.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the need for clear communication within families about the division of labor and the importance of visible care.
- Speaker 3 shares her own experience of mourning the loss of a career and the importance of recognizing and recovering a sense of balance.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of leveraging privilege to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout.
Advocating for Systemic Change
- Speaker 2 asks how to solve the burnout epidemic, and Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of advocating for each other and caring for each other.
- Speaker 3 discusses the need to think about reducing burnout not just for oneself but for others within one's system, whether it's a family, community, or workplace.
- Speaker 3 highlights the importance of small actions, such as scheduling emails to arrive at reasonable times and being explicit with neighbors about being a backup system.
- Speaker 3 mentions the importance of voting and supporting policies that address burnout, such as affordable housing and local food banks.
Personal Burnout Recovery Journey
- Speaker 2 asks about Speaker 3's personal burnout recovery journey, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of oscillating between burnout behaviors and trying to manage them.
- Speaker 3 describes a specific instance of using a numbing game to cope with burnout and then deleting the game to reclaim her time.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing and acknowledging burnout behaviors without judgment.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of creating space for self-care and finding activities that bring joy and meaning outside of work.
Final Thoughts and Call to Action
- Speaker 2 thanks Speaker 3 for her wise words and emphasizes the importance of scheduling time for self-care and community activities.
- Speaker 4 (Unknown Speaker) promotes the workplace workshops offered by Therapy for Real Life, which teach self-care strategies to help interrupt burnout.
- Speaker 4 highlights the importance of making time for therapy and mental health care, even in the face of financial challenges.
- Speaker 4 encourages listeners to take action to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout, leveraging their privilege to make a difference.
Millennials as the Burnout Generation
- Anna Lindberg Cedar introduces the podcast and the guest, Anne Helen Peterson, and sets the context for the discussion on burnout.
- Anne Helen Peterson defines burnout as a feeling of exhaustion mixed with flatness, where work becomes the backdrop of one's life, leading to a lack of catharsis and accomplishment.
- Together they discuss definitions including World Health Organization's description of burnout, which includes mental distance, fatigue, and pessimism.
- Speaker 3 discusses how the delineation between work and personal life has blurred in America, especially for millennials in creative fields, leading to a lack of separation between self and job.
The Blurred Lines Between Work and Personal Life
- Speaker 3 explains that the World Health Organization's definition of burnout assumes a clear separation between work and personal life, which is no longer the case in America.
- Speaker 3 highlights that burnout is exacerbated by economic instability, lack of social safety nets, and the pressure to perform on social media.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss how the pandemic has further blurred the lines between work and personal life, with work spreading into the home.
- Speaker 2 asks for clarification on who millennials are, and Speaker 3 explains the generational definition and the negative stereotypes associated with millennials.
Millennials as the Burnout Generation
- Speaker 2 asks why millennials are the burnout generation, and Speaker 3 shares her personal experience of realizing her own burnout.
- Speaker 3 describes how her burnout was a dull backdrop to her life, different from the physical exhaustion experienced by others.
- Speaker 3 discusses the societal and economic factors that contribute to millennial burnout, such as student debt, economic instability, and the lack of social safety nets.
- Speaker 2 mentions the shift from a midlife crisis to a generational crisis, where millennials are grappling with the realization that their achievements may not meet their expectations.
Intersectionality and Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about intersectionality within the frame of burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses how systemic inequalities exacerbate burnout for marginalized groups.
- Speaker 3 highlights the burnout experienced by people experiencing homelessness and those with unstable work schedules.
- Speaker 2 mentions Deanna Clark's article on black burnout, which discusses the additional stress of proving humanity inside and outside the workplace.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that burnout is a generalized experience, with different layers of stress for different groups.
Personal Experiences and Recognizing Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks how Speaker 3 recognized her own burnout, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of crying during work-related tasks and the ineffectiveness of traditional self-care methods.
- Speaker 3 describes the societal culture of burnout and how it can be difficult to recognize when one is in it.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the societal pressure to take personal responsibility for burnout, despite it being a systemic issue.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing burnout as a societal problem and not just a personal one.
Opting Out of Burnout Culture
- Speaker 2 asks if it's possible to opt out of burnout culture, and Speaker 3 discusses the concept of quitting a job to find a more sustainable one.
- Speaker 3 shares an example of someone leaving academia to find a more balanced job, highlighting the importance of drawing clear boundaries between work and personal life.
- Speaker 2 mentions Jenny Odell's argument about the attention economy and the importance of disconnecting from digital technologies.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that it's about cultivating a relationship with technology that allows for more control over one's attention.
Building Micro Cultures Against Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about creating micro cultures to reduce burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses the importance of community and mutual support.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the need for clear communication within families about the division of labor and the importance of visible care.
- Speaker 3 shares her own experience of mourning the loss of a career and the importance of recognizing and recovering a sense of balance.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of leveraging privilege to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout.
Advocating for Systemic Change
- Speaker 2 asks how to solve the burnout epidemic, and Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of advocating for each other and caring for each other.
- Speaker 3 discusses the need to think about reducing burnout not just for oneself but for others within one's system, whether it's a family, community, or workplace.
- Speaker 3 highlights the importance of small actions, such as scheduling emails to arrive at reasonable times and being explicit with neighbors about being a backup system.
- Speaker 3 mentions the importance of voting and supporting policies that address burnout, such as affordable housing and local food banks.
Personal Burnout Recovery Journey
- Speaker 2 asks about Speaker 3's personal burnout recovery journey, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of oscillating between burnout behaviors and trying to manage them.
- Speaker 3 describes a specific instance of using a numbing game to cope with burnout and then deleting the game to reclaim her time.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing and acknowledging burnout behaviors without judgment.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of creating space for self-care and finding activities that bring joy and meaning outside of work.
Final Thoughts and Call to Action
- Speaker 2 thanks Speaker 3 for her wise words and emphasizes the importance of scheduling time for self-care and community activities.
- Speaker 4 (Unknown Speaker) promotes the workplace workshops offered by Therapy for Real Life, which teach self-care strategies to help interrupt burnout.
- Speaker 4 highlights the importance of making time for therapy and mental health care, even in the face of financial challenges.
- Speaker 4 encourages listeners to take action to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout, leveraging their privilege to make a difference.
- Anna Lindberg Cedar introduces the podcast and the guest, Anne Helen Peterson, and sets the context for the discussion on burnout.
- Anne Helen Peterson defines burnout as a feeling of exhaustion mixed with flatness, where work becomes the backdrop of one's life, leading to a lack of catharsis and accomplishment.
- Together they discuss definitions including World Health Organization's description of burnout, which includes mental distance, fatigue, and pessimism.
- Speaker 3 discusses how the delineation between work and personal life has blurred in America, especially for millennials in creative fields, leading to a lack of separation between self and job.
The Blurred Lines Between Work and Personal Life
- Speaker 3 explains that the World Health Organization's definition of burnout assumes a clear separation between work and personal life, which is no longer the case in America.
- Speaker 3 highlights that burnout is exacerbated by economic instability, lack of social safety nets, and the pressure to perform on social media.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss how the pandemic has further blurred the lines between work and personal life, with work spreading into the home.
- Speaker 2 asks for clarification on who millennials are, and Speaker 3 explains the generational definition and the negative stereotypes associated with millennials.
Millennials as the Burnout Generation
- Speaker 2 asks why millennials are the burnout generation, and Speaker 3 shares her personal experience of realizing her own burnout.
- Speaker 3 describes how her burnout was a dull backdrop to her life, different from the physical exhaustion experienced by others.
- Speaker 3 discusses the societal and economic factors that contribute to millennial burnout, such as student debt, economic instability, and the lack of social safety nets.
- Speaker 2 mentions the shift from a midlife crisis to a generational crisis, where millennials are grappling with the realization that their achievements may not meet their expectations.
Intersectionality and Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about intersectionality within the frame of burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses how systemic inequalities exacerbate burnout for marginalized groups.
- Speaker 3 highlights the burnout experienced by people experiencing homelessness and those with unstable work schedules.
- Speaker 2 mentions Deanna Clark's article on black burnout, which discusses the additional stress of proving humanity inside and outside the workplace.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that burnout is a generalized experience, with different layers of stress for different groups.
Personal Experiences and Recognizing Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks how Speaker 3 recognized her own burnout, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of crying during work-related tasks and the ineffectiveness of traditional self-care methods.
- Speaker 3 describes the societal culture of burnout and how it can be difficult to recognize when one is in it.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the societal pressure to take personal responsibility for burnout, despite it being a systemic issue.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing burnout as a societal problem and not just a personal one.
Opting Out of Burnout Culture
- Speaker 2 asks if it's possible to opt out of burnout culture, and Speaker 3 discusses the concept of quitting a job to find a more sustainable one.
- Speaker 3 shares an example of someone leaving academia to find a more balanced job, highlighting the importance of drawing clear boundaries between work and personal life.
- Speaker 2 mentions Jenny Odell's argument about the attention economy and the importance of disconnecting from digital technologies.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that it's about cultivating a relationship with technology that allows for more control over one's attention.
Building Micro Cultures Against Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about creating micro cultures to reduce burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses the importance of community and mutual support.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the need for clear communication within families about the division of labor and the importance of visible care.
- Speaker 3 shares her own experience of mourning the loss of a career and the importance of recognizing and recovering a sense of balance.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of leveraging privilege to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout.
Advocating for Systemic Change
- Speaker 2 asks how to solve the burnout epidemic, and Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of advocating for each other and caring for each other.
- Speaker 3 discusses the need to think about reducing burnout not just for oneself but for others within one's system, whether it's a family, community, or workplace.
- Speaker 3 highlights the importance of small actions, such as scheduling emails to arrive at reasonable times and being explicit with neighbors about being a backup system.
- Speaker 3 mentions the importance of voting and supporting policies that address burnout, such as affordable housing and local food banks.
Personal Burnout Recovery Journey
- Speaker 2 asks about Speaker 3's personal burnout recovery journey, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of oscillating between burnout behaviors and trying to manage them.
- Speaker 3 describes a specific instance of using a numbing game to cope with burnout and then deleting the game to reclaim her time.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing and acknowledging burnout behaviors without judgment.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of creating space for self-care and finding activities that bring joy and meaning outside of work.
Final Thoughts and Call to Action
- Speaker 2 thanks Speaker 3 for her wise words and emphasizes the importance of scheduling time for self-care and community activities.
- Speaker 4 (Unknown Speaker) promotes the workplace workshops offered by Therapy for Real Life, which teach self-care strategies to help interrupt burnout.
- Speaker 4 highlights the importance of making time for therapy and mental health care, even in the face of financial challenges.
- Speaker 4 encourages listeners to take action to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout, leveraging their privilege to make a difference.
- Anna Lindberg Cedar introduces the podcast and the guest, Anne Helen Peterson, and sets the context for the discussion on burnout.
- Anne Helen Peterson defines burnout as a feeling of exhaustion mixed with flatness, where work becomes the backdrop of one's life, leading to a lack of catharsis and accomplishment.
- Together they discuss definitions including World Health Organization's description of burnout, which includes mental distance, fatigue, and pessimism.
- Speaker 3 discusses how the delineation between work and personal life has blurred in America, especially for millennials in creative fields, leading to a lack of separation between self and job.
The Blurred Lines Between Work and Personal Life
- Speaker 3 explains that the World Health Organization's definition of burnout assumes a clear separation between work and personal life, which is no longer the case in America.
- Speaker 3 highlights that burnout is exacerbated by economic instability, lack of social safety nets, and the pressure to perform on social media.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss how the pandemic has further blurred the lines between work and personal life, with work spreading into the home.
- Speaker 2 asks for clarification on who millennials are, and Speaker 3 explains the generational definition and the negative stereotypes associated with millennials.
Millennials as the Burnout Generation
- Speaker 2 asks why millennials are the burnout generation, and Speaker 3 shares her personal experience of realizing her own burnout.
- Speaker 3 describes how her burnout was a dull backdrop to her life, different from the physical exhaustion experienced by others.
- Speaker 3 discusses the societal and economic factors that contribute to millennial burnout, such as student debt, economic instability, and the lack of social safety nets.
- Speaker 2 mentions the shift from a midlife crisis to a generational crisis, where millennials are grappling with the realization that their achievements may not meet their expectations.
Intersectionality and Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about intersectionality within the frame of burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses how systemic inequalities exacerbate burnout for marginalized groups.
- Speaker 3 highlights the burnout experienced by people experiencing homelessness and those with unstable work schedules.
- Speaker 2 mentions Deanna Clark's article on black burnout, which discusses the additional stress of proving humanity inside and outside the workplace.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that burnout is a generalized experience, with different layers of stress for different groups.
Personal Experiences and Recognizing Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks how Speaker 3 recognized her own burnout, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of crying during work-related tasks and the ineffectiveness of traditional self-care methods.
- Speaker 3 describes the societal culture of burnout and how it can be difficult to recognize when one is in it.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the societal pressure to take personal responsibility for burnout, despite it being a systemic issue.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing burnout as a societal problem and not just a personal one.
Opting Out of Burnout Culture
- Speaker 2 asks if it's possible to opt out of burnout culture, and Speaker 3 discusses the concept of quitting a job to find a more sustainable one.
- Speaker 3 shares an example of someone leaving academia to find a more balanced job, highlighting the importance of drawing clear boundaries between work and personal life.
- Speaker 2 mentions Jenny Odell's argument about the attention economy and the importance of disconnecting from digital technologies.
- Speaker 3 agrees and adds that it's about cultivating a relationship with technology that allows for more control over one's attention.
Building Micro Cultures Against Burnout
- Speaker 2 asks about creating micro cultures to reduce burnout, and Speaker 3 discusses the importance of community and mutual support.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the need for clear communication within families about the division of labor and the importance of visible care.
- Speaker 3 shares her own experience of mourning the loss of a career and the importance of recognizing and recovering a sense of balance.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of leveraging privilege to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout.
Advocating for Systemic Change
- Speaker 2 asks how to solve the burnout epidemic, and Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of advocating for each other and caring for each other.
- Speaker 3 discusses the need to think about reducing burnout not just for oneself but for others within one's system, whether it's a family, community, or workplace.
- Speaker 3 highlights the importance of small actions, such as scheduling emails to arrive at reasonable times and being explicit with neighbors about being a backup system.
- Speaker 3 mentions the importance of voting and supporting policies that address burnout, such as affordable housing and local food banks.
Personal Burnout Recovery Journey
- Speaker 2 asks about Speaker 3's personal burnout recovery journey, and Speaker 3 shares her experience of oscillating between burnout behaviors and trying to manage them.
- Speaker 3 describes a specific instance of using a numbing game to cope with burnout and then deleting the game to reclaim her time.
- Speaker 3 emphasizes the importance of recognizing and acknowledging burnout behaviors without judgment.
- Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 discuss the importance of creating space for self-care and finding activities that bring joy and meaning outside of work.
Final Thoughts and Call to Action
- Speaker 2 thanks Speaker 3 for her wise words and emphasizes the importance of scheduling time for self-care and community activities.
- Speaker 4 (Unknown Speaker) promotes the workplace workshops offered by Therapy for Real Life, which teach self-care strategies to help interrupt burnout.
- Speaker 4 highlights the importance of making time for therapy and mental health care, even in the face of financial challenges.
- Speaker 4 encourages listeners to take action to create micro cultures and support systems against burnout, leveraging their privilege to make a difference.
Can't Even: How Millennials Became The Burnout Generation Part 2
The discussion explores the societal causes of burnout among millennials, emphasizing that burnout is a systemic issue rather than a personal failure. Strategies to combat burnout include quitting exploitative jobs, opting out of capitalistic models, and limiting engagement with the attention economy. Personal examples highlight the grief and mourning associated with leaving passionate careers. Practical solutions include advocating for each other, creating community support systems, and prioritizing mental health. The conversation also touches on the importance of therapy, the challenges of accessing it, and the need for systemic changes to make mental health care more accessible.
Transcript
https://otter.ai/u/8ZdAsFa4tSXutAiPr1ij6VPbfxo?view=transcript
Action Items
- [ ] Schedule emails and communications to consider impact on others' mental load.
- [ ] Advocate for more accessible and affordable mental healthcare.
- [ ] Reserve time weekly for non-work commitments like volunteering.
Outline
Difficult Choices and Societal Burnout
- Speaker 1 discusses the personal sense of failure people feel when self-care doesn't work, leading to questions about societal issues.
- Speaker 2 emphasizes that burnout is a societal problem, not a personal one, and that personal fixes are merely band-aids.
- Speaker 1 inquires about difficult choices millennials face and the possibility of opting out of burnout culture.
- Speaker 2 mentions people quitting jobs they love due to exploitation and choosing more balanced, nine-to-five jobs.
Radical Acts of Defiance and Opting Out
- Speaker 2 talks about dropping out of academia as a conscientious objector to capitalistic models.
- Speaker 1 references Jenny Odell's argument that disconnecting from the attention economy can reduce burnout.
- Speaker 2 clarifies that Odell's approach is about controlling one's interaction with the attention economy, not completely rejecting it.
- Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the grief and mourning associated with giving up passionate careers to reduce burnout.
Personal Experiences and Coping Strategies
- Speaker 2 shares their personal experience of leaving academia and the mourning process that followed.
- Speaker 2 explains how leaving a passionate career can lead to a sense of balance and empowerment.
- Speaker 1 asks about Speaker 2's personal burnout recovery journey and how they manage burnout behaviors.
- Speaker 2 describes their approach to burnout as a meditation process, observing and managing behaviors as they arise.
Community and Systemic Solutions
- Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the importance of community and mutual aid in combating burnout.
- Speaker 2 suggests small actions like scheduling emails to reduce burnout in others and supporting local community efforts.
- Speaker 2 emphasizes the need for clear communication within families to manage household labor and mental load.
- Speaker 1 appreciates the suggestions and reflects on the importance of creating micro cultures to alleviate burnout.
Advocacy and Systemic Change
- Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the need for systemic change to address the burnout epidemic.
- Speaker 2 highlights the importance of advocating for each other and caring for each other within larger systems.
- Speaker 2 suggests small actions like voting for affordable housing and supporting local food banks to reduce burnout.
- Speaker 2 emphasizes the importance of being explicit with neighbors about being a backup system during emergencies.
Therapy and Mental Health Accessibility
- Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the challenges of accessing therapy and the financial burden it can create.
- Speaker 2 shares their personal experience of prioritizing therapy and making it a financial priority.
- Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the importance of transparency about the cost and importance of therapy.
- Speaker 2 highlights the need for mental health care to be more accessible and affordable for everyone.
Building Resistance Against Burnout Culture
- Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the importance of creating space in one's life for non-work activities.
- Speaker 2 suggests volunteering and other meaningful activities as a resistance against burnout culture.
- Speaker 1 appreciates the idea of scheduling non-work activities as a way to create a balance in life.
- Speaker 2 emphasizes the importance of having meaningful activities that work cannot intrude upon.
Conclusion and Final Thoughts
- Speaker 1 thanks Speaker 2 for their wise words and encourages listeners to schedule time for non-work activities.
- Speaker 2 expresses their pleasure in being part of the conversation.
- Speaker 1 promotes Therapy for Real Life's workplace workshops to help teams buffer against stress and burnout.
- Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 discuss the importance of creating a supportive and non-burnout culture in the workplace.
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